So I'm Jeff Kotte with Pacific out systems and today for this do it yourself garage we're gonna be talking about installing solar panels. I'm not gonna go too much about actually very little and if you want to read about what solar panels you want how much you need how to size everything that's a conversation for tomorrow do your presentation on the whole selection process figure out everything the before you make the decision about sort of sorts right for you that's a presentation for tomorrow the presentation today is really going to focus on how do you go about installing a solar panel so you you've made a decision you either bought the panels we're pretty much close to having the panels and now you've got to come and you've got to actually make it a reality you've got installed on your boat. So this is what I have flexible solar panel looks like this is a 40 watt panel. And they're pretty light. And so we're gonna get started. All right so before I even dive into. The realities of installing a solar panel I just want to emphasize whenever you do any sort of electrical work because remember solar panels about electricity. And it looks pretty simple but it's still outputting current. You want to make sure that whatever you do you don't compromise on the installation electrically speaking of the solar panels I mean that's absolutely essential not so much the physical connection of the solar panel mounting of the panel but everything related to the wiring of that panel. I had a client it's funny I was on his boat last week in wens van he bought the panel thought it was really simple they thought the polarity didn't matter. Why does. So those 2 wires for circuit right there's a positive circuit in a negative circuit. And so you switched it. And the panel didn't make it so you know whenever you do something care safety fusing and we'll talk about all the little details, but you really want to make sure that whatever you do electrical speaking you don't just get it done but you do it right. We have got probably about. Maybe 15 pounds 60 different sizes of panels. Right so someone asked me the other day said oh can I have a panel that's custom and the answer in life is pretty much anything is possible you just have to pay for it. So I would recommend to use a panel that is standard of unknown dimension rather than having a panel built for you. Because yes it is possible but possible does not mean an expensive so some way better to look at what space you have on your boat and find 1 out of 40, 50, 60 panels that's going to fit those dimensions or do what I did on my own boat which is simply mix and match all different panel sizes to get the array you want because you don't have to install a panel you can install multiple panels on my boat I have 6 panels you know foreign by Danny into a my daughter. So you can mix and match all these different panel sizes this is a little bit of an example of this is just one selection there is a little different manufacturers different panel sizes different efficiencies right. This light is really the crux of the of the presentation in terms of. What you need to actually get the job done on your boat. So you're gonna need to some sort of a panel. It is it is 1, 2, 3, 4 it really depends. The other important thing and some people and that's what we're gonna be showing at that on the Garrard the garage part is in the installation of these MC 4 connectors they come on the panel what's great about them is their removal so you can do them on to them which is really nice. They're also weatherproof so they're meant to be out in the elements some owners will bypass that because they figure it's too much work and there's gonna cut the cables and it's all about connector I don't recommend that I really don't but connectors not meant to be out in the elements on top of the day many years on top of a heart topper right these connectors can handle. Being out in the rain my story on my boat I install mine 5 years ago I've never taken them off. Never done anything to my insulation never maintain it there's nothing to do I just connected it it's there and it's there in the winter there all the time but if I ever wanted to take it off I just be able to unplug all the connections and then all my solar panels because they're mounted with zippers we'll talk about that they're easily removable I just for me I don't take it off. So you need a solar panel one or many you need the NT 4 terminals right don't cut the ends because it looks too complicated to install those are really good also our panels come with these connectors. You're gonna need to install it we have that an outdoor rated cable. So you're gonna be tempted to use a cable that you already have on board but cabling that you have on board marine cabling is not meant to be out in the weather right the jacket is different. So you're gonna have to have an outdoor rated cable for the outside. And then and this is what this cable looks it looks exactly like this cable from here right from this junction bodies are called junction box and the cable looks the same it's black. And then you're gonna route the cable somehow into the boat you have to go in the boat somewhere right and that's where UBC there put a cable clamp or clam shell depending on the application. Ideally we always encourage you know owners and ourselves to go in from a vertical surface semi vertical surface because that means if there's a whole there's less chance of cooling of water right so ideally a vertical surfaces better but if you can't have a vertical surface for a penetration into the boat then you would use a cable clamp and you see those blue seas make them all these different companies make them and they're made to be mounted right onto the surface they've got you know some sort of. Rubber gasket that's going to mount and then there's a whole that's rubberized in the cable goes through and water doesn't go through but it's always a little nerve wracking as a border when you make a deck penetration our penetration of any sort onto your boat on a horse on the surface because nobody wants water to come inside their boat so ideally try to get the cable come in from the site right. Once you're inside. You can if you want because the outdoor cables more expensive the indoor cable if you wanted you could then switch to a typical duplex tend to cable right 102 means the size of the cables 10. It's got 2 conductors and then you can go to attend to do blacks and then run that cable to your controller. The controller can be anywhere inside the boat from where you bring the declaration they're not weather proof or waterproof so they need to be mounted in some dry place where you know you're gonna be outside down the cabin the sign can be in the range but it doesn't have to be you know in the engine room all right beside the batteries it just needs to be somewhere the path has to lead to the batteries you don't want to with anything electrical you always want to have the least amount of voltage drop and what that means is it means you want the most direct path possible from the solar panels to your batteries. And this is essential that the solar panels go to your batteries. You cannot go to your DC panel you can go anywhere else you have to go to your batters because a solar panel can never be switched on or off and some people take short cuts and we're all mad most of us always try to find a better more efficient way of doing something said she probably human trait try to be efficient with your time. But trust me if you're wondering why I can explain the why but you have to go back to the batteries battery Chargers alternators solar panels wind turbines all those things have to go directly to the batteries they cannot be on the low side of a connection. So you're not a controller and then that controller will go and we've got a demo of a controller there we have more in our booth there's different controls you can choose from. By the control remembers always paired with a panel. I think there's no such thing as one controller that does everything for example this panel only outputs 8 volts. You're thinking but Jeff I have a 12 volt battery back. How is this going to charge. Well the controller actually is a boost controller so it actually will output a higher voltage so the input is 8 but the output might be 144 depending what the batteries need right so they'll adjust the voltage and if they they would bigger solar panels there's no such thing even if I made a solar panel that was 14 volts let's say your batteries don't always the fourteenth sometimes any 133 sometimes in 844 and the voltage varies depending on the sun. So control is absolutely essential because what it does is it takes an input voltage that might vary from 8 volts to 22 volts and if you put the panels in series it might be 75 votes right so you might be daisy chaining the panels and series we did that on a on a bigger boat where there was no shading. And so we install the panels in series but you know if I but the panels in series I didn't don't choose just one magical controller that does everything we did up choosing a big controller that was able to handle 3 big battles put in series at a high voltage so when you choose a controller you're gonna need to choose a controller that has the input voltage that you need right what does the panel output which becomes an input into the controller and then what size back but not not so much the size but what's the voltage of your battery back most of us have 12 but some of us have 24 and fewer of us have 32. So you need to make sure that you have a controller has the right input voltage and the right output voltage. And the controller is really what allows your solar panels. To be. Never overcharge the batteries because think about my solar array for example in the summer my salary on my boat in the summer is outputting more power than I can use in the summer. And so that means that when I'm not at. All the boat using power and only my refrigeration is on my solar panels have the potential of cooking my batteries right because here the sun is shining in the summer a lot so what the solar controller does is it actually opens continuously and you can't really see that but it Ferraro's the output of the sort of Pat on the solar panel so that the batteries or effectively our flow charged by the solar panels and I had someone ask me questions like well that's a pretty small panel in the booth earlier and that's actually a really good sized battle for someone for example that walked the has a maybe a boat that's on an anchor well not an actor but a mooring buoy and you'll have that panel up on the top and it's a good way to keep the batteries topped off right because effectively you know this panel's 40 watts it outputs a nominal maybe. Maybe 2.8 amps of peak output but use batteries might only need point 1.2 apps a flow charging when they're topped off so my this might be a good way for someone that has a boat on a boy in front of their home and they leave the boat and they go fishing maybe every week every 2 weeks and they want to keep the battery topped off so in places like Chicago in Maine where there's really not a lot of docks and people have all their boats on mooring buoys. This is a really good way to keep the battery topped off and the solar panels working it might be sunny beautifully sunny in the summer for 12:00 hours 14 1816 hours and what's the batteries are topped off the solar controllers going to limit the output of the sun so that you're not actually constantly over charging the batteries and making them more over and the controllers also you can even choose them to have AGM settings gel lithium flooded right so they're all set double or if you they're more simple controllers you have to buy them and what you want Jeff I have a lithium battery back okay you need this controller Jeff I have an AGM battery back okay you need this controller so the controllers will vary depending on the type of battery that you have. And the one thing that's absolutely essential is that whenever you do a connection out of battery. And this is a little confusing for a lot of us and it certainly was when I started building about. 1213 years ago and bought my boat in 2006 is this concept of fusing here where do you put a fuse right. People think well if you put a fuse anywhere. Fifth there's over current it's going to blow on the circuit. And then as some orders, Jeff why don't I put the fuse closer the panel. Right where am I going to put the fuse I put it right side panel or to put it close to the batteries. Your batteries this battle ever only output 40 walks. That's it that's all I can do it's never gonna miraculously output I 0 what's your batteries that you're connecting to have not limitless energy but in a dead short pretty limitless energy they can give you 1000 apps thank you to 0 apps on a dead short so it's essential that you fuse at the battery. Right and so that fuse has to be right at the battery because really the batteries the. Analysts power supply in the event of a short. So you fuse at the battery you run a wire to a controller to the controller through some sort of cable clam. You go up and then you get yourself through an MC 4 connector and then to the panel. These panels can be mounted in various different ways you see this panel comes with a zipper you can mount them with grommets you can mount them with snaps. You can glue them onto a hard top you can screw them into a hard top. There's an edge around the panel. Right all around the panel some owners are going to have a candy shop with a grommet and they're they're gonna sell with zipper on to the panel. This is my boat up in Tennessee those. And as you can see from the the picture there's actually zippers on all 4 sides so for me being an engineer, I worry about for me it's always about safety factors I'm always thinking what happens now when it's blowing 10 knots what happens when it's blowing 40 knots 50 knots right I don't want my paddle fly away. So I always encourage owners specially on the bigger panels have zippers on all 4 sides especially forget about it out of the many that waits talks right that's a great thing about zippers is it keeps things under tension from all 4 sides is that we'll be able to do that on a canvas snap is great from we do that on catamarans you know will mount a proxy some snaps onto a hard top. And that meant the panel on that but that's rigid. The panel panels flexible so if you put on canvas gently it's better to velcro or slippers I like zippers because it's better tension and velcro. Catches water and water then causes molds because we live in a rainforest so if you were down in Florida zippers are great not separate I mean. Velcro but here a lot of candy shops are a little bit hesitant about putting velcro just because it pulls a lot of water. And so I encourage owners to put zippers instead of velcro and the candy shop is gonna be able so that directly on to the panel. Some panels as well for the owners that have a hard top either sell border some have hard tops mostly power borders you can actually buy the paddle with any piece of backing. And so you'll do a peel and stick so we've got a bunch of tier I was in grad not ground bags but T. eras and sung cruisers and all these bills that have these hard tops and we'll just simply pull the backing and just mount it I'm always nervous drilling a hole on our top and if I do that I would always over drill fill with a proxy. Re drill so that because they will leak there's no such thing as a leak proof fitting. I don't believe in it it's got a leak at 1.don't hope for the best prepare for the worst right so if you're gonna drill something in a hard top. S. if it's made of it's got a balance or wouldn't stop solid glass then you should really make the best of it by you know over drilling refilling with a boxy showing smaller and then you came out and when it does leak it's not going to you know get your core wet. Which would be really painful and expensive. You see the order here is sizing the panel. This is a Dodger auto Dodger you're gonna want to generally ideally have maybe a panel on either side. Because you can have a boom in the middle shading effects panel output. Some orders. For what they have a smaller Dodger they're gonna just put one panel on the Dodger. And then what they'll do is when they're at anchor they're gonna move with the traveler move the boom over. Right and so now they have only 1 panel big panel put maybe 100 45 100 71 panel they'll put on top of the Dodger and they'll go through the hassle of moving the traveler off to 1 side. Right and so the sun can shine on the panel without any shading. Expensive panels panels that are not built in China. Are gonna have dialed so if the part of the panel shaded you don't lose the whole panel so you lose a portion of the paneling on everything. This is my boat. The way I did the panels you can see the permutation at this point I don't have the person just sizing it all out. The first came afterwards but that's how it looked. This is another order where the panels were actually mounted on a hard top. Right and they were glued on. Here's a catamaran that install the panels. I was some sort of railing. Very light panels right so the reason some people say well Jeff I would I buy rigid ridges so less money money then I have flexible solar panel and that's certainly a choice that you have certainly I mean there's no comparison people that have cottages when they come in our booth they say should I get a flexible or rigid I say well you value money. By Richard there's no benefit for you to have a flexible because you're gonna have to create a structure to hold it which is a fraction of flexible and for you wait really shouldn't matter but on a sailboat or powerboat the more weight you have a loft. Right in non calm seas when the boat started to have this motion this is gonna make your boat more comfortable so that's why even orders like this are actually putting weight the higher the the panels are up the more you should care about having this weight aloft and so a panel like this the big 100, 71 panel that 60 inches by 26 weighs over 5 pounds flexible if I call that weightless compared to rigid 1 which would be like 60, 70 pounds right. Another place that owners are putting on the brow brown is a pretty long route. Now I had an order asked me you know I. I'm gonna put on the ground like well if you've got a big Meanie you should really mounted on the baby because the baby's a horizontal surface it's not an ideal surface at all the inclinations of the sign right because the sun goes low on the rise and rise up in the summer in the winter it stays like this but in the summer literally almost rises like this. So some owners say to me well Jeff wanna be better if I actually move my paddle and I kept at a different inclination in the sun and I'm like yes absolutely but what's the practical way of doing that unless you have children that are willing to be on the deck holding a paddle and adjusting. The panel at all orientation while the booze the boat news anchor it's just yes it's better but it's unreasonable to expect anyone to adjust the panel to be perpendicular to the rays of the sun while you're swinging at anchor maybe you're starting tight and you only have to adjust the panel every hour but still so we always recommend to orders the best surfaces the flat surface right that's parallel with the water and when the sun is closest to west when it's directly above that's when you're gonna get the most and you know from the beginning the day to the end of the day it's it's diminishing returns right on each and increases peaks and then diminishes and we have a what we did is we did the math. For a solar output and surely if you're curious it's walks divided by 4 is what you're gonna get from in after hours in the summer so if you have 100 watt panel you'll get about 25 amp hours. Here in the Pacific Northwest in the summer on a average 20 day not a beautiful sunny day because you can get up to a factor of 2.7 you probably get maybe 40 after hours on a gorgeous day blue sky no shading 40 hours but on average you're gonna get about 25 members. Here's another order that in the install that on the aft. As much as possible you don't want cheating now it's that's easier said than done right on some power board is not an issue because the demand is the highest thing but if you have let's say Bimini and you have a radar arch you're gonna have the panels more Ford right so less chance again of the sun hitting the radar or the satellite TV and then. Sh coming down on the panels. Here you've got a solar cushion someone I've that there's a one of our team members Melissa she has the power boat and she's got a sundeck on her power boat and she never is on the Sunday so she install the solar panels or sundeck with grommets and she puts it out there. When she's at anchor or at a dock and it's not relatively windy it's not super safer storm but it's a convenient way for her to mount a solar panel I have owners are sellers and they can really don't have they don't have it to me and Dodgers tight so what they end up doing is they have a solar panel they'll move it on the boat and they'll have a long pigtail and they'll just simply move it to wherever the sun is shining it's. Here's another order on the brow. Right. The inclination is not too bad on that one. But ideally I would have put it on the Bimini. So before we are good to go to the do it yourself garage I just want to emphasize there's something need about as you add more and more panels. What you can do is start aggregating these controllers because remember I didn't say this but I should ideally especially for gonna have shading it's better to have one controller per panel. That's the best because if a paddle is shaded the other panels will suffer and they're not going to be. Every panel is gonna be maximized for the situation they're in. All those installations where there is absolutely 0 chance of cheating and literally the panels are the highest point. Of the boat then you can not with them or wire them in series or parallel whatever you want to do and put a really big controller that's going to handle them all. Most of the case or the type that's not possible so you end up having a panel per controller. And then what I'll do is I'll basically aggregate them in one location like on here will bring them to a fuse block you're not you can barely see the fourth control at the bottom there there's a little wet but it's actually for controllers they come into a fuse block all of them refused and then instead of bringing 4 pairs a wire back to the battery I aggregated them to one large cable and so you can have multiple panels go to a fuse block right a little like a distribution. And then from there bring a large pair of cables back to the batteries and have those shoes as well so every time you change cable size you should change few socks as here I've got gauge you can barely see but they're 10 app uses for each panel they're about 100 watt panels. 10 apps and then from there they go back back to the batteries on this large cable and you do that as a way to minimize voltage drop I always encourage owners to not. Take a short cut and try to save too much money on the wiring. Right you want out come to your question you always want to make sure that you maximize all you harness all the energy from the solar panel and the way to do that would be to have a large enough gauge cable so that the voltage drop from the panel to the controller to the batteries you're not gonna lose. Like 10 percent or 15 percent of the waters of the panel because you decided to just do what you the minimum on the wiring. So most of the time and you know I mean voltage drop is something you can calculate on an apple on the internet but most of the time just walking with a gauge 10 wire. Is that enough to really offset voltage drop. Right so you would generally the cables here gauge 10 the connectors that you mount the MC 4 connectors use gauge 10 so if you go under size then you're got chances of actually leaking because you want this cable to be weather proof right that junction on the M. C. for gas going to show how to do that and what I did on my own boat I came in on page 10 I I created and then I went on a really big cable back to the batteries because I wanted to have 99.9 percent of the panels go back to the batteries right and the battles are expensive the wiring is inexpensive relatively speaking. I give you an idea out 440 watt panels around $800 if it's Italian made 100 watch Chinese made paddles around $350. So those are kind of like Chinese is kind of the. Starting point right so about 350 a watch and then from there it goes Italian range from about 550 a walk to maybe $12 what depending on the panel you by depending on that Polly versus mono and I'll be talking about that tomorrow there's differences but that's kind of the the gradient in terms of choices. All right so we're gonna go over and see Gareth is a mounted up on your brand name your dog just sort of thing normally on most 90 percent of them stores every day. The panels have that the connections I normally have tucked under so it's in between your campus and on the panel so it's kind of hidden makes a bit more weather proof as well for the connection just a to help it out a little bit extra. And say yeah that. This is an M. 10 solar cable it's outdoor rated UV rated everything on that side when you strip it down correctly in combat and today's connections you get your water tight seal and such yeah just prevent any corrosion that could possibly happen out there. From that point we come down. Come down here the the arch or whatever that sort of support you have holding up the offending your Dodger and. 80 percent of the bites are nowadays and I little transom Hatcher one idea hatches sort of on that sitting around his steering wheel Undeva burn kind of thing. And just yes I love. Predawn nasons just a positive or negative that go back to your battery and your choose days back a battery bank sire that's the supply side going out of the control of. Coming in from up on the. Dodger anything if you do want to minimize the outs okay because of the price you could put a little connect a block and an accessible area so you can get back to it if there is an issue down the track and change so you tend to cable to make it a little bit cheaper but generally I run this cable back to the closest point where I can get the controller to the panel. Yes you can pass some of these are ground. Do I have to make sure these M. 4 connectors that you get the orientation on one 's female ones mile. If you put the wrong one on here as you said before you can get a clarity wrong and cookie panels I. Yeah I say I'll shave the sun had you gotta make sure that you don't strip. Strip back the cuppa exceeding where it needs to be inside the. Barrel of this because if you strip it Sir 5. You actually have to plug the other one and you have your panel head on on the copper set that southside make sure you find out it's about halfway down on this barrel side. A measure that out you can't use general strippers on this outdoor cable it's a bit more rigid and that say yes here's just standing off but.com to date because then you're right can try to cause an. Can cause an assured all NASA. Boy cut away from yourself if you're standing off. A surprise how many people cut themselves. What are the sizes you have to be about a monitor on your bills like that of our shops with notable meter. Barry Myers really I really should be called in that a character counts growing it out you want to make sure that the negative problems the solar controller does not bypass the struggles otherwise your solar panels. The positive benefit of the solar panels will never be counted were seen by the battery monitor. You'll think that you have no output from the panel figure out something that's not that's not doing anything you'd be able to see the voltage rising which we see them coming in and out because you bypass the sound so you have about about our own work make sure that the negative coming from the controllers does not bypass the shows the shot is always only connection to the negative side of your house batteries and all the negatives have to be. All the way from the batteries right so there's a chance of getting to the batteries and then you have a negative distribution of some kind and that's where the negative cable from the controls have to be. Yes as a saying with that fame out into you know I want the. Cable guy right at the end of the barrel on the mail itself that you want as much in there as possible because it's got more of a connection. Doesn't crack any hot spots and when it's passing current through it so. I pretty much get it right up near the end of the barrel. Make sure you get all the calls and so all your strands inside. And. Get that correct crimping tool for this time just use a pair of pliers a seminar that you're either going to Michael possibly crack that and that's again another source of a possible hate breakdown. Yeah. That's all it is on the curb there. Make sure you've got that going on down there. Pushes N. cooks. Sign up get away go make sure it's on the. That's the connection and that's that's waterproof lunch it. Cup days to to get a. And a little trick for if you do have to run at 1020 fate. Make sure you label each cable first before you do the connections because again you can sit at. Once you get back to this is a pretty obvious what you do and say. And securing was coming down the out ship them to you we don't use this nylon. Sort of soft material way run the coals true that so it just makes it about Saudi don't have. I was flapping everywhere and table taught at going down your stylist to being or whatever you have just at even intervals and makes it look really nice yeah that's right I mean is that actually to see cables on the outside of a functional it works but people don't maybe like the look of it soon as we run it through a sleeve it's not a cable cable runs sleep you can notice water because they can't be can it come out. But it gives a statically a lot of people are not going to make their cables to sleep they don't really know what it is as actually gonna make it look really sharp. Yeah I prefer to use that the nylon sleeve flight this one you can get split conjured but this possibilities of water pulling in there and as with anything you don't want water pulling the stuff here's what'll come and come down make a trip right before you go into your grandma or whatever penetration is coming through in the about just so that it's not a streamlined for water to come structure that's essential member that I mean trips are. Critical I mean there is going to be some water coming on that junction of some sort but you don't want to have a catch up all the water as it touches the cable is water and surface tension go out there and it's going to fall the cable down and then you just have this stream of water coming on to the cable plant you're asking for trouble right with a trip to the the water is going to land on the cable somehow it's gonna go down but that the trip will go back up again and so the water is gonna go down and just keep going down and then you have maybe an inch or 2 back into the cable car. I just surf the sockets just a little tough the staff fries pretty easy if you don't see a wealthy and he just said that he got our torch. Just fly off the in the law that. They're upset now it's actually made it so I want all the way in windy conditions and tell someone knocks against that kind of thing it just keeps everything nice and loss and sudden back to look at the nature as well. Yeah and the only other thing the Jr played like a side that's coming down. It's been a little yes you don't wanna be bending and drip likes. 70 cables lie that because that will create 8.. Bambridge coming out of the small panels yes you could argue that it's not going to be such an issue but any electrical you don't want to exceed the bending radius of the cable normally you wouldn't want to go past 90 for a smaller cables bigger cables you obviously have to have a bit more of a it's coming so yeah any questions. The question yeah if you have 2 or 3 panels and anyone the. Caller yes would you recommend wiring them in series or parallel. Think twice. Easy but eventually series is the folders and go up your average is going to stay the same yeah so that's the challenge that you have when you put them in parallel is that. They're big panels to begin with I 1.you're getting to see the average of engaged and cable right yeah and so 30 **** and sound like much but you know more sounds like a lot but he put a few. For 175 or 176 I think at that point what's better is to minimize voltage problem is to run in the series this is in a situation where you don't have shading yeah in the run of the series and then the voltage is gonna go every battle you add is going to be another maybe 22 walls, 22 maybe I get AT 100 and then the average is the same and still just whatever that had a lot and then it comes in and then you can use the key age 10 you got to make sure you have the records or they can have that high input voltage and and then it's gonna converted down the conversion of all those panels on the out of 12 told that you can use a gauge 10 cable because now you were you know maybe gauge 1080 volts right now you're gonna be coming out as well now the cable size is going to have to. Right how would you do it and see for the actor for Caroline can you talk to them yeah well okay there are actually junction box you can buy okay yeah for that for putting them in parallel and then what we do is here is the one that's on your network and then I just want. Never done a peril and still not high demand I don't I don't think I've ever done I mean you read about in the effort required parallel we want to require the controllers and that's exactly what we're doing yeah on the bigger boats they have no cheating or if you're bored you're lucky you have nothing on the cultural for nothing on top of that the meeting no cheating at all then rather than series and then bring them to a controller that can handle the aggregate average of those panels. Any other questions you have a question. That was accurate. Make sure this is a really big one. Apple shortcuts right I mean we all want to be efficient. That MC 4 connectors is actually meant to go in that came with outsized cable with the outside like that like Europe was saying. The the installation of that wire is thicker than usual if you put a gauge 10 wire and that it's important to try to put that in there ever since you'll. Can't do it just just can't do it so you definitely want to make sure that you use outdoor cable. You're trying to reach Dennis Gage 10 Jeff it doesn't matter I'm only out for 4 inches why am I going to care well 4 inches is still 4 inches and that connection in the NC for its not going to be typed so that water can get in there right and so you definitely want to make sure that you've got outdoor table regardless of how long the run is it could be a powerful it's. 6 inches it's just on the outside of it goes right through the cable clamp right underneath so we could go in 6 inches what's the big deal but it is a big deal because then the MC 4 connector itself won't have really tight connection because this this is to engage cable here and also I'm not as much as I can and just straight out of the city if you crimson Abbott what is going to get in their stride alliance yeah I have seen that on a few bugs that aren't as abundant cells thinking now run the teens are. And then a company just sort of pull on it and he's out. So. At the current. Part of it would hold it and then buy it as for what I thought you were getting a corrosion I few weeks with salt water coming through. Yeah have to replace it basically so. Any other questions. Just before we close we often have orders that will do this themselves Phil Ruffin everything now run the cables to the cable climbs the run the cables because that's time consuming about. I think the excitement about it always takes more time than you think the general attitude but then they won't have maybe you know these grippers so what they'll do is they'll generally if you're wondering you don't want to purchase mortgage your job is just one panel sometimes the people having to do is I'll say by the way when you're in my arena I've done everything the rough and can you comment on my bill and just do that the terminations right or they'll say they'll buy the cable will terminate for them the M. C. force it's so you wrap the cable from the outside and write what you know your cabling. So that's another way to is we can terminate the MC for in our shop and then you route from outside because I mean you can't you don't want to run that begins the fourth through the boat there's gonna be a lot of places where it's just not gonna fit. He run from outside in. The phase controls as well of saying a few times with minor installations. The cause of that marine grade cables quite small so if you've got this mounted up in your little head sherry you're trying to reach an input and you don't actually see the coals touching at the back says you connect it to better use use a popping and wondering why you come in okay you can't say anything. Just one little strand of that cable and there you just have to make sure that yeah if you're terminating that everything goes in the correct allocated spot because at just one thread of your call cable we have you can try to hazardous. If you have any tips for getting the wire of the markets on the controller to dinner you can get a fair oaks that we liked little device heroes yeah I didn't have the money right now but yeah that. Wire. Yes it is yeah it definitely is yeah say a feral grin because it's kinda like a bit bandy about life's is crimping down and makes it a lot better and it makes it really taught is also we don't sell may use them to install them all the time and we do these big platonic jobs where all the connection points the junction box I mean you might be going through 500 of these are huge navigation job and instead of doing coming in and worrying about that and you need to worry like you need to be paranoid every time right thank you can't it's not good enough for the likes of you can't say oh I did 99.9 of everything perfect life's not fair yeah yeah life isn't fair you need 100 percent or don't do it and so with world with a feral than it sounds kind of and that's how I did on my. Yeah that's that is the best I. I have R. O. L. yeah MRO down boundary. The farmers are not that expensive I'm a little overboard I have 2 kids on my bill. With all the different sizes because when I do that exactly I just takes way less time to actually put it on and then put it in without thinking that actually stripping and then being paranoid about every little action you have to do. All right so what if any other further questions I want to thank everyone for dropping by and reading 322 if you've got some 1 on 1 questions you'd like us to answer.